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DonMack
2011-10-25 20:36:09 UTC
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In the song Please Remember Me by Tim McGraw the progression in the chorus
goes G G/B C - - E7 F - - -.

How is that E7 functioning? It's a nice sounding progression and I believe I
hear it a lot in country music but I'm at a loss to understand it. I could
imagine it as a simple secondary dominant resolving deceptively but that
seems a bit far fetched and convoluted. The tonic of the piece seems to be
in C although there tends to be a strong emphasis of F. The chorus starts on
G and there is a strong crescendo which makes my ear feel we are headed into
G but we quickly get back into the same grove after that E7 chord.
Tom K.
2011-10-26 01:43:52 UTC
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"DonMack" wrote in message news:j876i3$7ki$***@dont-email.me...

In the song Please Remember Me by Tim McGraw the progression in the chorus
goes G G/B C - - E7 F - - -.

How is that E7 functioning? It's a nice sounding progression and I believe I
hear it a lot in country music but I'm at a loss to understand it. I could
imagine it as a simple secondary dominant resolving deceptively but that
seems a bit far fetched and convoluted. The tonic of the piece seems to be
in C although there tends to be a strong emphasis of F. The chorus starts on
G and there is a strong crescendo which makes my ear feel we are headed into
G but we quickly get back into the same grove after that E7 chord.
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I hear it as

C: V 6 I V7/vi IV

As you said, V/vi moving up by step deceptively to IV.

Tom
DonMack
2011-10-26 15:06:16 UTC
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"DonMack" wrote in message news:j876i3$7ki$***@dont-email.me...

In the song Please Remember Me by Tim McGraw the progression in the chorus
goes G G/B C - - E7 F - - -.

How is that E7 functioning? It's a nice sounding progression and I believe I
hear it a lot in country music but I'm at a loss to understand it. I could
imagine it as a simple secondary dominant resolving deceptively but that
seems a bit far fetched and convoluted. The tonic of the piece seems to be
in C although there tends to be a strong emphasis of F. The chorus starts on
G and there is a strong crescendo which makes my ear feel we are headed into
G but we quickly get back into the same grove after that E7 chord.
=====================================================================
I hear it as

C: V 6 I V7/vi IV

As you said, V/vi moving up by step deceptively to IV.

Tom
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I there a name for this progression? I've seen it in other songs where we
resolve a dom7 chord a half step up. We could construe this as an
incomplete C+9 chord.
Joey Goldstein
2011-10-26 19:24:50 UTC
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Post by DonMack
In the song Please Remember Me by Tim McGraw the progression in the chorus
goes G G/B C - - E7 F - - -.
How is that E7 functioning? It's a nice sounding progression and I believe I
hear it a lot in country music but I'm at a loss to understand it. I could
imagine it as a simple secondary dominant resolving deceptively but that
seems a bit far fetched and convoluted. The tonic of the piece seems to be
in C although there tends to be a strong emphasis of F. The chorus starts on
G and there is a strong crescendo which makes my ear feel we are headed into
G but we quickly get back into the same grove after that E7 chord.
=====================================================================
I hear it as
C: V 6 I V7/vi IV
As you said, V/vi moving up by step deceptively to IV.
Tom
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I there a name for this progression? I've seen it in other songs where
we resolve a dom7 chord a half step up. We could construe this as an
incomplete C+9 chord.
There's also a relationship that's akin to Fdim7 to F in that movement.
E7 = E G# B D
Fdim(maj7) = F Ab B E
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Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca
DonMack
2011-10-28 21:45:23 UTC
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Post by DonMack
In the song Please Remember Me by Tim McGraw the progression in the chorus
goes G G/B C - - E7 F - - -.
How is that E7 functioning? It's a nice sounding progression and I believe I
hear it a lot in country music but I'm at a loss to understand it. I could
imagine it as a simple secondary dominant resolving deceptively but that
seems a bit far fetched and convoluted. The tonic of the piece seems to be
in C although there tends to be a strong emphasis of F. The chorus starts on
G and there is a strong crescendo which makes my ear feel we are headed into
G but we quickly get back into the same grove after that E7 chord.
=====================================================================
I hear it as
C: V 6 I V7/vi IV
As you said, V/vi moving up by step deceptively to IV.
Tom
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I there a name for this progression? I've seen it in other songs where
we resolve a dom7 chord a half step up. We could construe this as an
incomplete C+9 chord.
There's also a relationship that's akin to Fdim7 to F in that movement.
E7 = E G# B D
Fdim(maj7) = F Ab B E

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Sorry but where is an Fdim(maj7) chord in that song? In any case The
progression is E7 to Am(or possibly Am6) as the bass is A and not F. That’s
what I get for using online tab's to get the chords.
Joey Goldstein
2011-10-29 01:39:11 UTC
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Post by Joey Goldstein
Post by DonMack
In the song Please Remember Me by Tim McGraw the progression in the chorus
goes G G/B C - - E7 F - - -.
How is that E7 functioning? It's a nice sounding progression and I believe I
hear it a lot in country music but I'm at a loss to understand it. I could
imagine it as a simple secondary dominant resolving deceptively but that
seems a bit far fetched and convoluted. The tonic of the piece seems to be
in C although there tends to be a strong emphasis of F. The chorus starts on
G and there is a strong crescendo which makes my ear feel we are headed into
G but we quickly get back into the same grove after that E7 chord.
=====================================================================
I hear it as
C: V 6 I V7/vi IV
As you said, V/vi moving up by step deceptively to IV.
Tom
---------------------------------------------
I there a name for this progression? I've seen it in other songs where
we resolve a dom7 chord a half step up. We could construe this as an
incomplete C+9 chord.
There's also a relationship that's akin to Fdim7 to F in that movement.
E7 = E G# B D
Fdim(maj7) = F Ab B E
-----
Sorry but where is an Fdim(maj7) chord in that song? In any case The
progression is E7 to Am(or possibly Am6) as the bass is A and not F.
That’s what I get for using online tab's to get the chords.
You said the progression involved a movement from E7 to F.
What I'm saying is that this is similar to E7b9 to F which is similar to
Fdim7/E to F.
On Fdim, E is the maj 7th.
--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca
LJS
2011-10-29 21:07:13 UTC
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Post by Joey Goldstein
Post by Joey Goldstein
Post by DonMack
In the song Please Remember Me by Tim McGraw the progression in the chorus
goes G G/B C - - E7 F - - -.
How is that E7 functioning? It's a nice sounding progression and I believe I
hear it a lot in country music but I'm at a loss to understand it. I could
imagine it as a simple secondary dominant resolving deceptively but that
seems a bit far fetched and convoluted. The tonic of the piece seems to be
in C although there tends to be a strong emphasis of F. The chorus starts on
G and there is a strong crescendo which makes my ear feel we are headed into
G but we quickly get back into the same grove after that E7 chord.
=====================================================================
I hear it as
C: V 6 I V7/vi IV
As you said, V/vi moving up by step deceptively to IV.
Tom
---------------------------------------------
I there a name for this progression? I've seen it in other songs where
we resolve a dom7 chord a half step up. We could construe this as an
incomplete C+9 chord.
There's also a relationship that's akin to Fdim7 to F in that movement.
E7 = E G# B D
Fdim(maj7) = F Ab B E
-----
Sorry but where is an Fdim(maj7) chord in that song? In any case The
progression is E7 to Am(or possibly Am6) as the bass is A and not F.
That s what I get for using online tab's to get the chords.
You said the progression involved a movement from E7 to F.
What I'm saying is that this is similar to E7b9 to F which is similar to
Fdim7/E to F.
On Fdim, E is the maj 7th.
--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca
And Joey is 100% in his explanation. You should pay more attention to
those that know when you ask a question! If you don't like Tom's
answer and you don't try to understand and see what Joey is talking
about, do you really want to know? or what?

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